Spend the extra few bucks for the 2hp. Design the system. Sound meter: 91.3 average Actually cutting material, hard wood, at 24" I'm on an island with no place to buy any D/C so I needed one that would ship via USPS. It does a good job for me and overall no problems with it, and I did use duct tape to seal the seams of the fan housing, also removed the inlet and outlet plastic screens from the unit (chips and shavings from my planer and jointer caused the collector to plug up at the screens). Also I am sick of the hose just not fitting onto any of my tools. I just cant figure out which one to go for, I keep coming back to the Dremel 3D45 but it is so old! 13 gal. Max, NOT .005, but 500. I wouldnt run a DC without a 4" compatible dust boot as you will lose all benefit to using it over a vacuum or dust extractor. Thats a long wait! They are also not really capable of picking heavy objects up off the floor, eg, nuts and bolts. So I need some help on setting this up and what to buy? I bought something like the Lee Valley garbage can top cyclone adapter - So I have both installed on the same phone and tried them both sitting here reading the forum and they show very different readings. The Harbor Freight units are actually 1.5 HP The 2 HP claim is just marketing hype. Any idea what amperage that 2hp HF unit pulls? Has anyone used this DC in their shop and can show me examples of their setup? The finish, whether paint, wax, stain, or something else, can make or break a project. Using a jig is like having a couple extra hands helping out. I used to run it with my miter saw. You be good to go with a smaller and less powerful vac. Terms of Service
Wood, your hand tools, you and a little know-how. Sound Meter: 68.8 average Awesome I never thought to look for one, thank you for the tip Norm! what about the 2HP from HB? If you are selling your work, then you have entered a woodworking dimension with added complexity and stress. Keep in mind the HF 2HP dust collector is a different machine than a shop vac. That's vanity.". Notice all the blast gates come off of 45 adapters into the 4" ducting. Relief, 3D, chip-carving, whittling; carving knives, chisels, pocket-knives, power tools. Decibel X: 52.7 average Decibel X: 83 average I live in Southern California where rain is rare. That said, it is a darn cheap way to get a blower and motor that you can fit to a cyclone pre-filter and then into a canister HEPA filter. Dont be mistaken that low pressure means no pressure A Dust Collector is more than capable of collapsing thin walled steel duct pipe or in some cases even steel drums! I live very close to Harbor Freight. I've recently come to the conclusion that my shop-vac just wasn't, Best of all would be to exhaust it outside! Just one hose to one machine? It will cut down on noise and whatever dust the bag misses will be out side. These are great budget hold me overs but please for your own sake wear a respirator when using them. That adds up to probably the best DC bang/buck you can purchase. Finally something I can comment on intelligently here, Between my Shapeoko and my Drum Sander my HF dust collector has plenty of power to manage the dust output I generate because I have taken the time and spent the money to set it up correctly but out of the box it was downright dangerous If I were to do it over, Id really strongly be looking at a Laguna HEPA unit but those are $$$ Something to really consider is that the dust from Sanders and Routers is very bad news, you cant see the stuff that actually hurts you, you just feel it a few hours later after the damage is done The dust you can actually see is just the canary in the coal mine saying GET OUT. Thats a substantial difference! Your woodworking skills are displayed for several lifetimes in each project. Hooked it up to a different HF model, and added a cyclone, etc. Decibel X: 52.7 average If you restrict the air flow no increase in impeller size will help. I tried a half dozen and found Sound Meter works the best. Which ever wall mount Dust Collection I decide on Ill be building a doggie door in the rear door of my small shop and place the DC outside and run the 4 hose through the doggie door to a dedicated tool. works beautifully. Or go to Rockler, and they have a ready to use filter, kinda costy, but it even comes with a clean out crank. back to Power Tools, Hardware and Accessories forum. a tip/strategy to share? Once you've got that, you can take a look HERE to see how you can substantially improve the chip separation, and replace the 5 micron bag HF sells with a .5 micron bag- what you really should be filtering with. I used 4 smooth plastic drain pipe for most of the ducting. DISCLAIMER: Any posts on LJ are posted by individuals acting in their own right and do not necessarily reflect the views of LJ. NO 90 turns as air does not make right turns. It is not safe for enclosed spaces. Manage Consent. If you don't receive the email within an hour (and you've checked your Spam folder), email us as confirmation@grabcad.com. It is a separator for big chips and a redistributor of the fine ( the stuff that kills you) dust. So try to get all the specs you can before ordering online. A larger impeller with backwards vanes apparently doubles the working cfm. They are usually HEPA rated and have adjustable suction but the filters are expensive, while you can use an extractor like a shop vac youll quickly find out that the bags are expensive as well. Canvas bag is not a duct collector. Does a 3D printer fume out the house? There is also attic space above the garage which is unused (the access hatch is too high and too small) would there is any issue if I mounted the DC up there? The bags that come stock on most dust collectors just pass the fine particles right through making them very effective dust pumps, quickly fogging the room with the superfine dust from the moment you turn them on. I think they are out of stock unfortunately. Figure all in you are looking at something like $300 with the hoses you want (Bosch makes a really great shop vac hose that is available on Amazon for those looking) Shop Vacs have their place, its just for cleaning up saw dust and nails, not for collecting fine dust, Dust Extractor - Festool, Fein, Bosch - Souped up Shop Vacs, that are MUCH quieter and specifically designed to handle fine dust from things like routers and sanders and track saws. Could I utilize that with the HF DC? Sound Meter: 68.8 Press J to jump to the feed. I was able to get a 4" suck-it compatible boot printed (thanks to @MadHatter for posting his awesome design!) They offer very good MERV15 filter kits. My router runs at 64db and the shop vac is 67db. 2x the price though. It increases the CFMs of the original unit. You need a coupon specifically for the Central Machine product. Looking for help with Are you unsure of which tools, or hardware, you need, or which brands to buy? I will be taking it in after work. HF frequently puts the Dust Collectors on sale with super coupons specific for the HF dust collectors (thru email promotions, catalogs or in different woodworking mags). To add to what Craig, Dustin, Bill and others have said: restricting to flow on a dust collector is no good. Share your tips and challenges Before you pick up those woodworking tools, take the time to ensure your safety in the shop! Suction is great, way more than many single tools need, but that bag is like a sieve. In addition to the Thein baffle and Wynn Environmental filter pay attention to your ducting length and any corners. Ive owned 4 Prusa printers (MkII, MkIIs, Mk3 and Mk3s) and still own the two Mk3 printers. How to fix a messed up table-top panel. Finally have some data on the two app I had mentioned above, for what its worth. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, Rigid Shop Vac Vs. Harbor Freight Dust Collector. http://www.harborfreight.com/13-gallon-industrial-portable-dust-collector-31810.html. Up to now I have been wheeling everything outside when doing woodwork but this is both tiring and annoying (especially when the neighbors complain about their car/yard being covered in sawdust so I had to pay for a car wash). 1 HP Industrial Portable Dust Collector, The primary issue of putting the DC up there is that it will make emptying the bag a giant hassle. We are presently running two SO3s thru a Dust Deputy XL with the 1HP HF dust collector and a Wynn Environmental filter using ROGDC dust shoes. Looking for information on designing your projects? Go to Wynn Environmental and get a pleated filter for it, and it would be workable. But it's money better spent. As I rent and I will probably only be in the US for 2 more years I am loathe to spend more than $200 on this whole setup. I did read that they take advanced orders. So I need to build something better. Those numbers may be slightly off. Works great, lots of airflow. A cyclone in front of the dust collector to collect the big stuff. Ill try them both again later this afternoon with the router and vacuum system running and will report that result. I have one and I can verify they work with a 20 Amp circuit. The photos are of a system I designed and installed at a retirement community woodshop where my wife & I volunteer. Get a good bag and buy the extended warranty. That is a great setup! PETG doesnt have any smell I have noticed. I reused the turnbuckles, cut a circle out of plywood for the top of the filter, used some door seal, and attached the turnbuckles to the plywood top. Does anyone have the Harbor Freight 45378, 2 HP, (Sears HP! Share your "joinery" discussion here. The email with your password reset link has been sent. It came with a little muffler attachment and I added a Dust Deputy between the vac and my Sockit Dust Boot. It was the biggest monster they sold 6 years ago though. a challenge, perhaps? You can only pull so many CFM thru that small hose. Get to know GrabCAD as an open software platform for Additive Manufacturing. @MadHatter They want 5+ weeks for delivery though! /r/woodworking is your home on reddit for furniture, toys, tools, wood, glue, and anything else that has to do with woodworking as a hobby or profession. I used to run a rigid vacuum to a 2" opening dust boot and I found myself cleaning up a lot more fine dust on the machine because if it made it past the brushes on the dust boot there was not enough airflow or suction to pull it back in. Lots of options, but for a single tool, except a wide drum sander maybe, it should work. 2022 Verticalscope Inc. All Rights Reserved. I'm thinking of making an offer on an old Delta 9" tilting arbor table saw circa to this question. You can wall mount it, and roll the tools to it, or put it on a rolling base, and hang it. You may want to check with HF on the coupon usage. You dont get any bad smells unless you are printing ABS or ASA filament. Ive had one for several years. Each CAD and any associated text, image or data is in no way sponsored by or affiliated with any company, organization or real-world item, product, or good it may purport to portray. Thanks Bill W, StevenN, Shampeon, WoodDreams, Ill check on the coupon before I buy, and TVgeek,Thats all great information. I have seem a few instances where they stacked 2 filters to add filtration. My HF collector (Wynn + Super Dust Deputy + Rikon Impeller) can easily clean the air in my two car garage shop in about 30 minutes if I open up all the blast gates, Shop Vac - Rigid, Craftsman, ShopVac - HPLV - High Pressure, Low Volume, They can pretty easily pick a nail up off the floor but are LOUD and generally dont do a great job of filtering the air which is why they sell HEPA filters as upgrades, but even with these filters they arent HEPA rated. On a side note. I just bought the 2hp unit, was on sale for 209 and I used the 20% coupon which brought it down to 169 or so. frustrations? for my CNC and I would gladly put it up against any vacuum or dust extractor now that the airflow is right. I heard its pretty accurate. It ain't all waiting on you. I kept the ducting to a single straight run which not only keeps the air flowing but also makes clean out of the ducting easy if it does becomes clogged. There is alot of info on dust collection, duct size, airflow, et available to research. Need a break from all the standing and wood dust? We use cookies on our websites for a number of purposes, including analytics and performance, functionality and advertising. The TLDR; is if you are going the HF route, buy a Wynn Environmental Canister Filter and make/buy some sort of separator like a Thien Baffle or Cyclone to reduce the fines that actually make it to the filter (or you will be constantly cleaning the filter which is a royal PITA). I am still struggling with my closet housed shopvac dust collection system - it constantly clogs and is just not powerful enough to catch dust. I ordered a 4 inch hose and 4 inch Dust Deputy, I will keep the HF and try to find an appropriate use for it. Sound Meter: 90 average Decibel X: 91 average The Rockler would need a reducer from 5 to 4 the one for the Semi above has a 4 attachment, so it should go on pretty straight away. I just wish every time I saw 4 OD, or ID that it truly was 4, same for 5 6 all of these makers have goofy rulers, so its a constant battle to make anything fit. So at least they are close when it gets loud! I have an older 6HP 220CFM Ridgid shop vac, I think. I found you can download a decibel meter on your smartphone free. A very good write up by Dustin if you are looking at the HF option. I love my Festool CT36 and if it died tomorrow I wouldnt hesitate to buy another one, they really are fantastic tools I use it for my tools that I cant hook up to my Dust Collection System like my Miter Saw, Track Saw, Domino and Sanders. https://www.rockler.com/rockler-dust-right-canister-filter-for-wall-mount-dust-collector. HomeOwnersHub website is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Bill Pentzs website is a very good resource. -- ian | "You can't stop what's coming. +1. the screens are designed to protect the fan from being damaged if you sucked up wood chunks. https://www.amazon.com/Napa-6637-Gold-Air-Filter/dp/B00K24KSDS/ref=pd_sbs_328_1/141-4886102-5127014?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B00K24KSDS&pd_rd_r=f8eb463d-dbe9-4f2d-84d4-e427308030a2&pd_rd_w=f5XYs&pd_rd_wg=Pq238&pf_rd_p=7cd8f929-4345-4bf2-a554-7d7588b3dd5f&pf_rd_r=JAH6KNTCWGGKSSYY99AP&psc=1&refRID=JAH6KNTCWGGKSSYY99AP. Going to only use it outside as a way to sweep up less, then maybe the HF unit is OK for that. The ambient noise from the dust collector is much more quiet than the two Festool Dust Extractors we were running and has much less of a heat load. Anyone ever try this? You could also put a flex hose on the out, to a box/drum, to get rid of the bags. Latest Blog Entries |
The hose from the impeller to the filter housing is just dryer duct, since its not under vacuum pressure at that point. The hardware and software is continuously being updated and improved. Ive had Decibel X for iPhone installed for quite some time now, but curious about Sound Meter. Definitely invest in a Dust Deputy of make a mini Thien Baffle for a 5 Gallon Bucket, once a Shop Vacs filter is clogged the performance starts to dramatically drop off. The Computer-Aided Design ("CAD") files and all associated content posted to this website are created, uploaded, managed and owned by third-party users. It would look a lot like the pics below, just a less expensive vac unit. Wilson. This forum is for scrollsawers: share your tips, ask questions Have a question? It does a great job. So worth it over the 1HP unit. |
One at a time. Id also strongly consider the Rikon Impeller, (Just call them and get on the list, mine took 60 days from order to delivery and they sell these by the truckload to HF users Id expect it to take longer in the days of the Coronavirus) if you are not going to put the collector right next to the machine IF your electrical system can handle it for the run to the Shapeoko use 4" hose for as much of the run as possible and use as little 2.5" hose as possible going to the dust boot, dont even try to use 1.5" hose, I have done a bunch of testing with what I own, a decent anemometer, a Dylos particle counter (I have allergies and asthma so its a purchase that made sense to me) a couple shop vacs, a Festool CT36 and an upgraded HF dust collector Im not digging out my old spreadsheet I used for all my testing/notes but Ill say that you can definitely make a HF collector work well for a small shop and have it do a good job keeping the air in your shop safe to breathe its just going to cost a lot more than $200 The Festool is fantastic but expensive (to buy and own, the bags are expensive too) and a shop vac is adequate if you can use it in a space where fine dust doesnt matter (garage) and you can wear a respirator if you can afford a particle counter get one! Looking around a I am thinking of getting this http://www.harborfreight.com/13-gallon-industrial-portable-dust-collector-31810.html and mounting it in one of the useless closets and running ducting around the garage with hookups for the various tools (Tablesaw, mitresaw, planner, router). ). In a woodshop where you are using it on larger pieces of equipment such as a planer or jointer or multiple tools being used simultaneously it can make sense. IOW entire 24s can go flying right through. The Dremel has a fan with carbon filter and enclosure. I have 2 of those. For filters, consider Wynn Environmental. I am going to recommend a Prusa i3 Mk3s. Right now I rent a house with a two car garage which is very badly laid out (huge built in closets which are completely useless and just take up way too much space) and is also our laundry room, storage room for overspend in costco and general dumping ground for everything else (also it's my office when I work from home). Please submit links to how-to pages and videos, pictures of beautiful and amazing pieces you made for us to admire, or help you finish. The fiber drum has a Thein baffle and you can clearly see the Wynn Enviromental filter. Having difficulties reading project plans? The upgrade is a replacement impeller that has a different shape. Have tried it in a restaurant with high ceilings and I can get 84db. Preferable is to get them local, so you can measure. I recently got a proper tablesaw which is great but it just creates a lot of saw dust and clogs up the shopvac hoses. Oh, and when I run the Ridgid vac and the CNC (with Carbide router) it hovers in the 90dB range. I have had a two instances where something didnt seal right and my dust collector was pumping dust out into the air unfiltered and the Dylos alerted me to what was going on within seconds, Dust Collector - LPHV - Low Pressure, High Volume - They move a ton of material but compared to their volume they dont output much static pressure, they really dont do well when constricted (eg long 2.5" runs) which is why people running a dust collector use PVC piping for the majority of their runs and use the shortest amount of flex hose possible. Dust Collectors like the HF unit are plenty adequate for a small shop but thing of it along the lines of buying an engine for a car you have to build, sure its $200 now but by they time you add a Wynn Filter ($200) a Super Dust Deputy ($200), Rikon Impeller ($120 shipped) and all the stuff you need to make it work: Blast Gates $15-20/ea, flex hose $50-100, DWV pipe/fittings (~$100) the costs really start to add up. (Secondarily, if your workspace is air-conditioned, you'll be shoveling money into your attic space. Easy to assemble and inexpensive. For storage, I tucked under a work bench in the corner. Otherwise, just use a leaf vac when you are done to blow it all out the door. Again to keep the air moving smoothly. Different wood requires different woodworking strategies - from cutting to finishing. In a quiet room, no PC, refrigerator or any other man made noise other than my breathing: I have their 2hp unit like this one and plumbed 4" pvc around my basement and it's awesome. Questions and answers about CNC machines, tooling, best practices, and projects. I have a CV06 MINI SYSTEM from clearvue. Latest Projects |
I do plan on installing a Dust Deputy Bagger or something similar to help make emptying the dust bag easier. WIFI, ethernet and a camera, does down to 50 Micron and fast delivery with USA distributors. Eyes, ears, fingers, and Are you looking for or do you have tips to share regarding the workshop? This does not prevent them working quite well if used with appropriate separators, ducting and upgraded filters as stated by others. Seems like all their current 20% off coupons are no longer good for the Central Machinery brand. If you are a carver or want Intarsia, fretwork, intricate design cutting and more! One of my dust collectors is a HF 13 gallon 1 hp. I wouldnt duct around the garage, its under powered for that, but at the tool its not bad. Look up the specification for airflow on your various tools before you buy the wrong size and find you have to buy it again. Sadly, I dont have a real DB meter to compare them with. I think you need 2 things: Latest Forum Topics. Honestly, I'd just cart the DC out with your other tools. I recently sold my house and had to put my CNC in storage until I get moved, but when I emptied the 5 gallon bucket the Dust Deputy was on the thing was nearly full of super fine dust. A little off is doable, a lot off can be tricky. On the older one I have the out is exactly a 4 outside diameter. I watched a YouTube video that showed how you can stop the leaks by removing the covers and caulking around the inside of the parts and then replacing them to increase the suction.
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